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# Systems Thinking With Derek Cabrera of CRLab

## Details

**Authors** Ackley J

**Year** 2016

**Publisher** System Smarts podcast

**Kind of work** press

**Discipline** Systems Science

**Kind of engagement** press

[Read it](https://player.fm/series/system-smarts-system-design-with-john-ackley/013-systems-thinking-with-derek-cabrera-of-crlab)

## In authors' words

### What they set out to do (purpose)

In this interview, Derek Cabrera discusses systems thinking as a practical way of understanding and organizing complexity, including DSRP, metacognitive mapping, and tools for making thinking visible. The conversation presents systems thinking not simply as the study of systems, but as a set of cognitive practices that can be deliberately developed and applied to problems, learning, and organizations.

### What they found (results)

Cabrera presents systems thinking as an emergent outcome of practicing simple DSRP rules. The episode’s central practical advice is that repeatedly applying these basic thinking patterns can produce more systemic thought. The accompanying resources also connect DSRP with metacognitive mapping, learning, organizational design, and the development of cognitive and social-emotional skills.

## Commentary

### In short

Coverage of the work in System Smarts podcast.

**Patterns it shows** D, S, R, P

**How to cite this** Ackley J (2016). Systems Thinking With Derek Cabrera of CRLab. System Smarts podcast.